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  <title type="text">rec.arts.sf.written Google Group</title>
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  Discussion of written science fiction and fantasy.
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  <updated>2010-03-12T15:08:45Z</updated>
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  <author>
  <name>James A. Donald</name>
  <email>jam...@echeque.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-12T15:08:45Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.tj/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/12b9e3b807a76d46/daebe932fdc0eb05?show_docid=daebe932fdc0eb05</id>
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  <title type="text">Re: Militarism, Collectivism, Atheism - The Fascist Ideology of Star Trek</title>
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  On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:33:18 GMT, David Johnston &amp;lt;da...@block.net&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt; wrote: &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;The objection to meat is not based on nutrition, but religion.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>David Cowie</name>
  <email>m...@privacy.net</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-11T21:05:38Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.tj/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/4aa59118c6819401/2217bd916d1998ff?show_docid=2217bd916d1998ff"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Why Larry Niven and the starship Enterprise?</title>
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  Wouldn&#39;t it be a lot less trouble just to shoot them? &lt;br&gt; I believe we are talking about a World State here, with a population of &lt;br&gt; billions. Spending many billions of dollars to get rid of troublemakers a &lt;br&gt; few dozen at a time doesn&#39;t sound like much of a plan to me, especially &lt;br&gt; when it doesn&#39;t do anything about the people who want to stay on Earth to
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Wayne Throop</name>
  <email>thro...@sheol.org</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-11T20:59:24Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.tj/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/59006b7cb1cae30d/5ad07c7540b7015a?show_docid=5ad07c7540b7015a"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Where to start with Dave Duncan?</title>
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  Where&#39;s a can of troll-b-gon spray when it&#39;s needed? &lt;br&gt; Wayne Throop thro...@sheol.org &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://sheol.org/throopw&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Wayne Throop</name>
  <email>thro...@sheol.org</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-11T20:47:14Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.tj/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/59006b7cb1cae30d/78eef4862b4a3ab6?show_docid=78eef4862b4a3ab6"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Where to start with Dave Duncan?</title>
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  I would recommend &amp;quot;A Man of His Word&amp;quot; as a good start. &lt;br&gt; However, it&#39;s a series. If you want a non-series... hm. &lt;br&gt; Possibly &amp;quot;The Cursed&amp;quot;. I like his worldbuilding in general, &lt;br&gt; and like these in particular as good examples of it. &lt;br&gt; I&#39;d be interested in other folks&#39; entry points and rationale for same. &lt;br&gt; Wayne Throop thro...@sheol.org &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://sheol.org/throopw&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Professor Bubba</name>
  <email>bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-11T20:52:29Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.tj/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/a9971fdf1f4ed494/54f139316afe1c88?show_docid=54f139316afe1c88"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Why Liberals Always Remain Soft On Communism?</title>
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  In article &lt;br&gt; &amp;lt;76ad4029-4837-4c12-b68e-99243 3142...@k6g2000prg.googlegroup s.com&amp;gt;, &lt;br&gt; Regulation has nothing to do with it, unless you&#39;re suggesting that the &lt;br&gt; industry be forced to compete in smaller markets it&#39;s not interested &lt;br&gt; in. Otherwise, you&#39;re supplying knee-jerk responses to substantive &lt;br&gt; problems.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>David Cowie</name>
  <email>m...@privacy.net</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-11T20:51:14Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.tj/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/4aa59118c6819401/75960a1be6e9d660?show_docid=75960a1be6e9d660</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.tj/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/4aa59118c6819401/75960a1be6e9d660?show_docid=75960a1be6e9d660"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Why Larry Niven and the starship Enterprise?</title>
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  Isn&#39;t the plateau bit of Plateau the size of California?
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  <author>
  <name>Anthony Nance</name>
  <email>na...@math.ohio-state.edu</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-11T20:49:05Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Where to start with Dave Duncan?</title>
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  Oh neat - thanks. That would be an absolutely wonderful &lt;br&gt; perspective to fold in with any others! &lt;br&gt; Tony
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Wayne Throop</name>
  <email>thro...@sheol.org</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-11T20:29:22Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.tj/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/6364e0f3f98ed792/38107b21dcdfb9e5?show_docid=38107b21dcdfb9e5"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Some thoughts on _Space Cadet_ &amp; Other RAH titles?</title>
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  But if isn&#39;t jargon, then the character is wrong, so those are really &lt;br&gt; the same thing. If it is jargon, then the author&#39;s background building &lt;br&gt; is flawed. &lt;br&gt; The possibility that it is literally true and the character is right is &lt;br&gt; excluded for reasons of internal logical consistency. The possibility &lt;br&gt; that it&#39;s not literally true and the background isn&#39;t flawed is excluded
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Matt Hughes</name>
  <email>archon...@googlemail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-11T20:39:24Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.tj/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/59006b7cb1cae30d/449e239113eacaac?show_docid=449e239113eacaac"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Where to start with Dave Duncan?</title>
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  I&#39;ll ask him and let you know. &lt;br&gt; Matt Hughes &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://www.archonate.com&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>U. Can Call Me AI</name>
  <email>h...@tlast.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-11T20:38:49Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.tj/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/59006b7cb1cae30d/03c1b909acf5fb5a?show_docid=03c1b909acf5fb5a"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Where to start with Dave Duncan?</title>
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  On 11 Mar 2010 20:24:15 GMT, na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) &lt;br&gt; wrote: &lt;br&gt; The fantasy writer? Well, I&#39;d start on his kneecaps, then just &lt;br&gt; generally pummel him randomly with the stick. Fantasy is shit, y&#39;see, &lt;br&gt; and the writers should be punished. No offence.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>U. Can Call Me AI</name>
  <email>h...@tlast.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-11T20:33:13Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: AI Rampancy In Written SF</title>
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  On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:24:07 -0600, &amp;quot;David V. Loewe, Jr&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; Nope ....... not me, mate. Never heard of them. Sorry. &lt;br&gt; Me too. Easy to forget, really. All those books are are stories about &lt;br&gt; men and Kzin fighting, and stuff. &lt;br&gt; Sorry, mate. Haven&#39;t a fucking clue. If I were you I&#39;d just pick one &lt;br&gt; out at random. You never know.
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  <author>
  <name>Keith Wetzel AKA Space Cadet</name>
  <email>kaw...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-11T20:31:50Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.tj/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/12b9e3b807a76d46/490c2d31bbe8d7f0?show_docid=490c2d31bbe8d7f0"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Militarism, Collectivism, Atheism - The Fascist Ideology of Star Trek</title>
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  Michael Moore &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://www.examiner.com/x-21821-Orange-County-Independent-Examiner~y2009m9d29-Michael-Moore-the-millionaire-Marxist&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-09-22/film/michael-moore-is-now-a-marxist-for-capitalism-a-love-story/&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Anthony Nance</name>
  <email>na...@math.ohio-state.edu</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-11T20:24:15Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.tj/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/59006b7cb1cae30d/1357b09b0cbc49c6?show_docid=1357b09b0cbc49c6"/>
  <title type="text">Where to start with Dave Duncan?</title>
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  I&#39;ve not read anything of his and am interested to know &lt;br&gt; what good starting points are, and what may be generally &lt;br&gt; held to be his best stuff. &lt;br&gt; By the way, I thought this had rolled around in this group &lt;br&gt; before, but I couldn&#39;t turn up anything close from the last &lt;br&gt; 7 years or so. &lt;br&gt; Tony
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Anthony Nance</name>
  <email>na...@math.ohio-state.edu</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-11T20:21:23Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.tj/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/5b400c585016cbca/ac5daff4638b4868?show_docid=ac5daff4638b4868</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.tj/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/5b400c585016cbca/ac5daff4638b4868?show_docid=ac5daff4638b4868"/>
  <title type="text">Re: AI Rampancy In Written SF</title>
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  I&#39;m not clear on the meaning of rampancy, even after a little &lt;br&gt; online digging - specifically, I&#39;m stubbing my toe on &amp;quot;...as &lt;br&gt; they think themselves to death&amp;quot;. &lt;br&gt; Rather than wait for clarification, perhaps unwisely, I&#39;ll go &lt;br&gt; ahead and mention just a few cases of AIs Gone Wild(tm) now: &lt;br&gt; - Ellison&#39;s &amp;quot;I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream&amp;quot;
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Shawn Wilson</name>
  <email>ikonoql...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-11T20:10:59Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.tj/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/a9971fdf1f4ed494/31959678cf1dd8b4?show_docid=31959678cf1dd8b4"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Why Liberals Always Remain Soft On Communism?</title>
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  And your alternative is that the insurance sompany should have &lt;br&gt; collected premiums from me but paid out no benefits whatsoever? &lt;br&gt; That&#39;s *better* in your mind? &lt;br&gt; Do you think about ANYTHING? &lt;br&gt; And the compaies that DON&#39;T have government trying to run them are &lt;br&gt; doing better than the ones that do. &lt;br&gt; And you want government to run MORE of the economy? Are you
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